Episode 3 – Delhi
Eine Podcast-Serie
Episode 3 – Delhi
Ein Podcast von Suvani Suri und Abhishek Mathur
(in englischer Sprache)
Featuring:
Mochu
Pallavi Paul
Gagan Singh
Suhail Yusuf Khan
Vorstellungswelten und Sinnsuche:
Vier Künstler*innen aus Delhi
In der dritten Episode der Timezones sprechen vier zeitgenössische Künstler*innen aus Delhi über den Wandel ihrer vielfältigen musikalischen Ausdruckweisen. Sie berichten von ihren Erfahrungen mit der COVID-Pandemie und eröffnen Denkräume, in denen kontinuierlich neue Bedeutungsmuster und Hypothesen über die Wirklichkeit entworfen, aufgelöst und neu entwickelt werden können. In der Komposition werden diese Gespräche mit Fragmenten von Klangfundstücken, Musikaufnahmen und Klangtexturen verwoben, um einen musikalischen Blick auf die fließenden Grenzen zwischen Wahrheit, Erfahrung, Realität und Fiktion zu werfen.
Announcer: Imagining worlds and making meaning with four artists from Delhi.
Gagan Singh: Voice note 1, if we take this as a voice note.
Mochu: I prefer a deregulated market of pirated ideas than something authenticated.
Gagan Singh: Often I work with a state of mind...
Pallavi Paul: So I am actually very interested in the way the story of the truth is enacted.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: Those shapes they formed this amazing melodic bank in my head.
Mochu: And so you’re part of what you’re reading, like an ongoing double print, over the page. Like in the case of Alice, after her fall through the rabbit hole…
Pallavi Paul: How do we read this large moment...
Gagan Singh: Think through drawing, think drawing…
Suhail Yusuf Khan: Whenever there was a chord or a drone being played, I could react to it. That was my idea of expression, that was my way of communicating while being in a conversation with musicians around me.
Gagan Singh: What is a conversation…
Mochu: Hello this is Mochu. I’m right now speaking from Istanbul. I’m usually based here and in Delhi, and I work out of both the cities. I work with video and text arranged in the form of installations, lectures or sometimes publications.
Gagan Singh: I’m Gagan Singh and I’m a Delhi based artist. I enjoy exploring the site of the sketchbook. I find pain and pleasure in sketchbooks, in sketching…drawing...life around me…quite interesting…I find that...I sometimes see things the way that they are not, sometimes the way that they could not be, sometimes the way that they can be imagined into…
Pallavi Paul: …and I am a video artist, a multimedia practitioner. I am also just in the process of submitting my PhD in Cinema Studies. So in a way, I have various kinds of practices I would say. I have a writing practice, I have an academic practice and of course I have a visual practice. And I move quite restlessly but also excitedly amongst all of these different kinds of practices.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: I am a Hindustani musician and I belong to a family of hereditary musicians who, in Hindustani terminology, are called Khandani musicians. I practice an instrument called the Sarangi – a North Indian bowed instrument. I am the eighth generation of my matrilineal lineage of carrying the tradition forward.
Mochu: So I usually look at ancient history, geology, vegetation…by the time I get to some current event, it’s already in the museum. I don’t usually arrive at my own time...there are a lot of niche spaces happening in my work. It’s possibly the result of a fatigue with categories, with identities. So it’s also a way to problematize the common-sense of the world, a way to say that the world is not a given, it is the result of active ongoing construction. Therefore alternative histories, improbable niche spaces with differing physical laws and causal connections allows for testing the limits of sense, both common and uncommon sense. That’s how I started thinking of the portable hole in cartoons, and that of cartoon physics in general. For example, in children’s cartoons – the bodies, the speeds, it’s as if it is all made in some otherworldly manufacturing unit.
Gagan Singh: My works are about eroticism, humor, fictional with a background of being autobiographical. They reflect my day to day life. I enjoy the sense of humor, I don’t know where it’s coming from but it just carries in when I draw. Sometimes I find that I need to do something else apart from sketching.
So I am trying that but I find my catharsis or this habit of sketching every day. So I often begin with scribbling on a piece of paper. Drawing, and the line which comes out, I feel it’s more about the state of mind. The dictionary meaning you know to draw out, to pull out, to draw something out…from within, I suppose...
Pallavi Paul: I was born in Delhi and I have been living here. It’s a challenging city right. It’s a city of ideas, people convene around ideas, people convene around and in intellectual contexts. Very interesting people pass through the city, practitioners of culture, practitioners of ideas. And it is also a city which is almost vulgar in its tendencies of violence, of aggression. In a way the city is a space of various different kinds of jostling currents and ideas, and it’s always a challenge to navigate them.
So I am actually very interested in the way the story of the truth is enacted, rather than the essential merit or demerits of the idea of truth. So for me, the idea of truth-making is like a material. And I don’t mean truth as an absolute idea or even a persuasive mechanism. I actually mean it almost as a placeholder for various kinds of strategies, performances, sensations that we encounter on an everyday level. So I am looking at it almost as a provocation, as a philosophical provocation. It keeps me always implicated in an adventure of ideas.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: It is quite a common phenomenon, among especially hereditary musician families where children start learning music like an oral language. You know how you pick up phrases when you’re a kid around your parents. You’ll see musicians practice around you, singing compositions…you’ll start imitating them. My grandfather was Ustad Sabri Khan Saab. He discouraged me, he kept saying that it is quite time demanding, it is not the right time to be a Sarangi player. After a few years he saw the interest in me and he said – no, I think you can be a sarangi player.
Sarangi is regarded as the most closest to the human voice in Hindustani music. It’s etymology [is] ‘Saurangi’ – meaning an instrument with hundred colours. Most of Indian classical instruments or Hindustani instruments per se have a sound box. They have, if not more, minimum seven to eight sympathetic strings. My instrument has about 14 of them. Some of them are also skin-covered and their sound box is covered with leather parchment. That resonates the string at a much louder level.
Gagan Singh: What drawing conversation does, or what drawing does, is it allows you to explore things which are not part of your vocabulary, which has been formed. But what drawing does is it allows you to not formulate this. It is always correcting what you could impose on it.
To hear oneself is the most settling act there is. To not talk, to let that talk transcribe itself on paper, lets you move away from that talking in the head....especially when I start with the hat and the semi-circular lines and the hat, when I am making that, I can feel that it is of a certain textural quality…I am weaving a hat, which is made of light bamboo or wood, you know...then I bring in hair, in front of the ear and behind...It gives me a feeling…this thing that, ok, now a face is being moulded…and then I move to the rest of the body. Making the torso, the arms. And for that moment, that presence happens. Then you are attentive to what the Madam is about to say…now I am in dialogue, listening to what is being drawn…
Mochu: In a similar way, in my video also, as I see it, the magical, haunted experiences are actually only a subset…it is a subset of aesthetic inhabitations of this kind. Like you have frame narratives where somebody asks a question and then the question is answered through another story…and this produces a phantasmagorical projective space in between, where the rules are new, and new rules always appear magical or mysterious…
Suhail Yusuf Khan: My grandfather in particular was highly inspired by the mystical practices and mystical life...
All Hindustani musicians look at musical notes as supernatural figures. They have personalities, they have movements…in Mughal courts, you know, the ‘ragas’ used to come out alive in their life forms. So Todi would come out and start dancing in the court. Bhageshwari would suddenly take this beautiful figure of a woman.
Once he was talking about this table player from Banaras – Pandit Anokhe Lal, who apparently had the most amazing ‘Na dhin dhin na’, just plain ‘Na dhin dhin na’ as a Thekha. When he used to play ‘Na dhin dhin na’, it used to feel like as if sunrise has gotten still.
Pallavi Paul: Memorializing and speculating. When I saw those two words placed together, it became kind of clear to me that one cannot be done without the other, right? In a way, you cannot speculate without memory and memory is no good if it doesn’t allow you the adventure of speculation.
SYK: I think the whole expression of words – I am learning it now. My own research in ethnomusicology, is kind of pushing me to express myself in words as much as possible. I discovered a scholarship which was talking in my own language. Really sophisticated Hindustani musical terminologies which I learnt as a household language, the formal meaning behind them started disclosing. And that’s when I was like...uhhh I think I can really write a paper on that. How my grandfather learnt music was not like how I am learning music right now, through academia. He learnt it as an experience because it was passed on to him and he saw it happening around him. I am only getting to think about it and having the discourse now.
I am more interested in phenomenology, and how that kind of aligns with the study of mysticism and the supernatural effect in Hindustani music. Colonialism, affect theory, again very philosophical…multiculturalism, hybridity, globalization…this is kind of the most theoretical part I am addressing...ya I mean the more I am spending time with it, I think it is not only changing me as a musician but as a human being.
Mochu: Philosophy begins with the feeling of astonishment.
Fantastic imagery and fantastic worlds are philosophical tools as well. This also feeds into my approach of making fan-fictions for philosophy and even maybe fan-philosophies itself.
In Japanese ‘Otaku’ culture, there is a term called ‘Doujinshi,’ a specific culture of producing fan-fictions based on manga worlds and manga characters. There are entire Doujinshi festivals where these so-called low grade works are traded, exchanged and enter competitions. I usually think of my works as part of this kind of a bootleg market of ideas and forms. I make a reference to this in Toy Volcano where a group specializes in a science itself that’s bootlegged…so bootleg physics.
Mochu: So in the absence of symptoms, it’s as if there isn’t any virus, it has no manifest existence because that’s the point at which it correlates with our immediate senses.
Toy Volcano is centered around these negative entities, these void-objects scattered around a mountain…and throughout the narrative of the video-lecture, there is a confusion whether the void is in the imagination, a gap in knowledge or whether the entity is a physical, geological fact.
The pandemic has retroactively become a context for the work. In its weirdness, the irrationality, at the level of blatant disbelief it’s paradoxically at home.
[Noise of pots and pans being banged against each other]
This entire sort of manufacturing of a noisy consensus, around a certain kind of national identity...it occurred to me that there would be people who want to think of quiet as a withdrawal from this moment, as an active political withdrawal, and a sensory withdrawal.
So, Share Your Quiet was essentially a very simple open call. It asked people to record what they perceived as quiet and send it to us. And then these recordings would be published every week and that way there could have been a symphonic dialogue. So people all across the world were actively interpreting their quiet and sharing it with one another and also listening in to the quiets of others. Because the project was announced during a time when most countries were in lockdown, it also in a way became a very particular archive of this global event. It was a synchronous experience of fear, of withdrawal, of isolation, but also of curiosity, and also of anticipation.
Gagan Singh: I am walking most of the time in the city and that really works. The pandemic has come but with the mask I keep walking. I see less people but I keep walking. I keep crossing colonies, traffic lights, societies, markets, shops. I am hopping here and there and it really works for me.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: I was asked to do, very recently this radio interview and they asked me to play something which would resonate with the times and I found this rendition of a ‘ghazal’ which Bahadur Shah Zafar wrote when he was exiled after the 1857 revolt.
Mochu: This reminds me of a very interesting text I read about the pandemic by Michael Taussig called “Would a Shaman help?”: “With global meltdown we now live in a reenchanted universe for which the aesthetic of a dark surrealism is relevant.” He equates shamanism with Giorgio Chirico’s paintings where “being alone in cities with empty streets and piazzas is more shamanic than the real thing.”
Pallavi Paul: Even though we are being told that everything is closed, that all kinds of productive labor is at a standstill…well yes, productive labor that feeds the logic of capital, businesses is maybe at a standstill – but there is a production relentlessly ongoing. People are cleaning their houses, feeding their children, waking up in the morning, doing reading, doing listening, you know and that is also work!
Suhail Yusuf Khan: It’s really interesting – for me this entire lockdown has pushed me to come out of my own addictions, my own habits, my own naïve needs of being somewhere, of doing something, or getting out of the house…
Gagan Singh: Just because of sitting in the balcony I was able to do works with charcoal and watercolor, and with ink, and with oil paints, acrylics, with brushes that I had not used in 20 years…
The space got energized, it got a different energy for me...it became a different understanding of being at home...
Suhail Yusuf Khan: In Hindustani music and also in mysticism there is this concept of ‘Chilla,’ which is nothing but solitary confinement. Centuries old tales – they say that saints have been practicing it to attain higher levels…so for me I take it from that angle…I think that this is a blessing in disguise for me. All I need to do is just sit at one place, gather my thoughts and only work towards my research, towards my music, towards my own understanding of life…and that’s the only way to do it, you know.
Gagan Singh: I suppose, I think the moment we have a change of routine, we become alert of the new surroundings. Or I suppose the existing ones which have always been there for us.
Mochu: I mean you’re actually training your mind to change…that’s something I enjoy a lot…because you are changing your own mind that is most interesting…like what else is better.
Pallavi Paul: Yes of course, you know we are surrounded by an anxiety about the future, about our present…and that anxiety is not only an individual anxiety but also a collective anxiety – and I think that even though we may not be able to physically congregate or move perhaps, it is important to retain these spaces which actually intend to pushback whether it is through what we choose to say but also equally from the spaces we choose to withdraw from and refuse to participate in.
Gagan Singh: …listening to conversations...so listening has been healing and so has been expressing…
Pallavi Paul: And it is this kind of an archive through the space of healing, through the space of listening together which can produce a healing…maybe a collective healing produced through a collective listening...
Mochu: So it’s like okay should we make this complete film entirely at home…just make small papier maché models and do stuff…so that’s what I was saying…should we find some 3D experts and then learn a lot of After Effects, create new actors, new places, new landscapes, new country and then shoot the film in that country?
Announcer: Timezones. Imagining worlds and making meaning with four artists from Delhi. Featuring: Mochu, Pallavi Paul, Gagan Singh, Suhail Yusuf Khan. Directed by Suvani Suri and Abhishek Mathur. Co-produced by Norient and Goethe-Institut.
Gagan Singh: Voice note 1, if we take this as a voice note.
Mochu: I prefer a deregulated market of pirated ideas than something authenticated.
Gagan Singh: Often I work with a state of mind...
Pallavi Paul: So I am actually very interested in the way the story of the truth is enacted.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: Those shapes they formed this amazing melodic bank in my head.
Mochu: And so you’re part of what you’re reading, like an ongoing double print, over the page. Like in the case of Alice, after her fall through the rabbit hole…
Pallavi Paul: How do we read this large moment...
Gagan Singh: Think through drawing, think drawing…
Suhail Yusuf Khan: Whenever there was a chord or a drone being played, I could react to it. That was my idea of expression, that was my way of communicating while being in a conversation with musicians around me.
Gagan Singh: What is a conversation…
Mochu: Hello this is Mochu. I’m right now speaking from Istanbul. I’m usually based here and in Delhi, and I work out of both the cities. I work with video and text arranged in the form of installations, lectures or sometimes publications.
Gagan Singh: I’m Gagan Singh and I’m a Delhi based artist. I enjoy exploring the site of the sketchbook. I find pain and pleasure in sketchbooks, in sketching…drawing...life around me…quite interesting…I find that...I sometimes see things the way that they are not, sometimes the way that they could not be, sometimes the way that they can be imagined into…
Pallavi Paul: …and I am a video artist, a multimedia practitioner. I am also just in the process of submitting my PhD in Cinema Studies. So in a way, I have various kinds of practices I would say. I have a writing practice, I have an academic practice and of course I have a visual practice. And I move quite restlessly but also excitedly amongst all of these different kinds of practices.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: I am a Hindustani musician and I belong to a family of hereditary musicians who, in Hindustani terminology, are called Khandani musicians. I practice an instrument called the Sarangi – a North Indian bowed instrument. I am the eighth generation of my matrilineal lineage of carrying the tradition forward.
Mochu: So I usually look at ancient history, geology, vegetation…by the time I get to some current event, it’s already in the museum. I don’t usually arrive at my own time...there are a lot of niche spaces happening in my work. It’s possibly the result of a fatigue with categories, with identities. So it’s also a way to problematize the common-sense of the world, a way to say that the world is not a given, it is the result of active ongoing construction. Therefore alternative histories, improbable niche spaces with differing physical laws and causal connections allows for testing the limits of sense, both common and uncommon sense. That’s how I started thinking of the portable hole in cartoons, and that of cartoon physics in general. For example, in children’s cartoons – the bodies, the speeds, it’s as if it is all made in some otherworldly manufacturing unit.
Gagan Singh: My works are about eroticism, humor, fictional with a background of being autobiographical. They reflect my day to day life. I enjoy the sense of humor, I don’t know where it’s coming from but it just carries in when I draw. Sometimes I find that I need to do something else apart from sketching.
So I am trying that but I find my catharsis or this habit of sketching every day. So I often begin with scribbling on a piece of paper. Drawing, and the line which comes out, I feel it’s more about the state of mind. The dictionary meaning you know to draw out, to pull out, to draw something out…from within, I suppose...
Pallavi Paul: I was born in Delhi and I have been living here. It’s a challenging city right. It’s a city of ideas, people convene around ideas, people convene around and in intellectual contexts. Very interesting people pass through the city, practitioners of culture, practitioners of ideas. And it is also a city which is almost vulgar in its tendencies of violence, of aggression. In a way the city is a space of various different kinds of jostling currents and ideas, and it’s always a challenge to navigate them.
So I am actually very interested in the way the story of the truth is enacted, rather than the essential merit or demerits of the idea of truth. So for me, the idea of truth-making is like a material. And I don’t mean truth as an absolute idea or even a persuasive mechanism. I actually mean it almost as a placeholder for various kinds of strategies, performances, sensations that we encounter on an everyday level. So I am looking at it almost as a provocation, as a philosophical provocation. It keeps me always implicated in an adventure of ideas.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: It is quite a common phenomenon, among especially hereditary musician families where children start learning music like an oral language. You know how you pick up phrases when you’re a kid around your parents. You’ll see musicians practice around you, singing compositions…you’ll start imitating them. My grandfather was Ustad Sabri Khan Saab. He discouraged me, he kept saying that it is quite time demanding, it is not the right time to be a Sarangi player. After a few years he saw the interest in me and he said – no, I think you can be a sarangi player.
Sarangi is regarded as the most closest to the human voice in Hindustani music. It’s etymology [is] ‘Saurangi’ – meaning an instrument with hundred colours. Most of Indian classical instruments or Hindustani instruments per se have a sound box. They have, if not more, minimum seven to eight sympathetic strings. My instrument has about 14 of them. Some of them are also skin-covered and their sound box is covered with leather parchment. That resonates the string at a much louder level.
Gagan Singh: What drawing conversation does, or what drawing does, is it allows you to explore things which are not part of your vocabulary, which has been formed. But what drawing does is it allows you to not formulate this. It is always correcting what you could impose on it.
To hear oneself is the most settling act there is. To not talk, to let that talk transcribe itself on paper, lets you move away from that talking in the head....especially when I start with the hat and the semi-circular lines and the hat, when I am making that, I can feel that it is of a certain textural quality…I am weaving a hat, which is made of light bamboo or wood, you know...then I bring in hair, in front of the ear and behind...It gives me a feeling…this thing that, ok, now a face is being moulded…and then I move to the rest of the body. Making the torso, the arms. And for that moment, that presence happens. Then you are attentive to what the Madam is about to say…now I am in dialogue, listening to what is being drawn…
Mochu: In a similar way, in my video also, as I see it, the magical, haunted experiences are actually only a subset…it is a subset of aesthetic inhabitations of this kind. Like you have frame narratives where somebody asks a question and then the question is answered through another story…and this produces a phantasmagorical projective space in between, where the rules are new, and new rules always appear magical or mysterious…
Suhail Yusuf Khan: My grandfather in particular was highly inspired by the mystical practices and mystical life...
All Hindustani musicians look at musical notes as supernatural figures. They have personalities, they have movements…in Mughal courts, you know, the ‘ragas’ used to come out alive in their life forms. So Todi would come out and start dancing in the court. Bhageshwari would suddenly take this beautiful figure of a woman.
Once he was talking about this table player from Banaras – Pandit Anokhe Lal, who apparently had the most amazing ‘Na dhin dhin na’, just plain ‘Na dhin dhin na’ as a Thekha. When he used to play ‘Na dhin dhin na’, it used to feel like as if sunrise has gotten still.
Pallavi Paul: Memorializing and speculating. When I saw those two words placed together, it became kind of clear to me that one cannot be done without the other, right? In a way, you cannot speculate without memory and memory is no good if it doesn’t allow you the adventure of speculation.
SYK: I think the whole expression of words – I am learning it now. My own research in ethnomusicology, is kind of pushing me to express myself in words as much as possible. I discovered a scholarship which was talking in my own language. Really sophisticated Hindustani musical terminologies which I learnt as a household language, the formal meaning behind them started disclosing. And that’s when I was like...uhhh I think I can really write a paper on that. How my grandfather learnt music was not like how I am learning music right now, through academia. He learnt it as an experience because it was passed on to him and he saw it happening around him. I am only getting to think about it and having the discourse now.
I am more interested in phenomenology, and how that kind of aligns with the study of mysticism and the supernatural effect in Hindustani music. Colonialism, affect theory, again very philosophical…multiculturalism, hybridity, globalization…this is kind of the most theoretical part I am addressing...ya I mean the more I am spending time with it, I think it is not only changing me as a musician but as a human being.
Mochu: Philosophy begins with the feeling of astonishment.
Fantastic imagery and fantastic worlds are philosophical tools as well. This also feeds into my approach of making fan-fictions for philosophy and even maybe fan-philosophies itself.
In Japanese ‘Otaku’ culture, there is a term called ‘Doujinshi,’ a specific culture of producing fan-fictions based on manga worlds and manga characters. There are entire Doujinshi festivals where these so-called low grade works are traded, exchanged and enter competitions. I usually think of my works as part of this kind of a bootleg market of ideas and forms. I make a reference to this in Toy Volcano where a group specializes in a science itself that’s bootlegged…so bootleg physics.
It is necessary to restore magma
the boiling matter
the luxury of lava
to place a piece of fabric at the foot of a volcano to restore the world
the luxury of lava
[News bytes]
Mochu: So in the absence of symptoms, it’s as if there isn’t any virus, it has no manifest existence because that’s the point at which it correlates with our immediate senses.
Toy Volcano is centered around these negative entities, these void-objects scattered around a mountain…and throughout the narrative of the video-lecture, there is a confusion whether the void is in the imagination, a gap in knowledge or whether the entity is a physical, geological fact.
The pandemic has retroactively become a context for the work. In its weirdness, the irrationality, at the level of blatant disbelief it’s paradoxically at home.
His worries were mostly about contamination. He knew that holes are parasitic, always in need of a host. They do not exist alone.
Pallavi Paul: So, Share Your Quiet actually came about as a response to the kind of noise that was almost made this index of public spirit after the Janta curfew was announced…the day long Janta curfew. As you know I heard people coming out clanging and banging pots and pans and various other kinds of things…[Noise of pots and pans being banged against each other]
This entire sort of manufacturing of a noisy consensus, around a certain kind of national identity...it occurred to me that there would be people who want to think of quiet as a withdrawal from this moment, as an active political withdrawal, and a sensory withdrawal.
So, Share Your Quiet was essentially a very simple open call. It asked people to record what they perceived as quiet and send it to us. And then these recordings would be published every week and that way there could have been a symphonic dialogue. So people all across the world were actively interpreting their quiet and sharing it with one another and also listening in to the quiets of others. Because the project was announced during a time when most countries were in lockdown, it also in a way became a very particular archive of this global event. It was a synchronous experience of fear, of withdrawal, of isolation, but also of curiosity, and also of anticipation.
Gagan Singh: I am walking most of the time in the city and that really works. The pandemic has come but with the mask I keep walking. I see less people but I keep walking. I keep crossing colonies, traffic lights, societies, markets, shops. I am hopping here and there and it really works for me.
Suhail Yusuf Khan: I was asked to do, very recently this radio interview and they asked me to play something which would resonate with the times and I found this rendition of a ‘ghazal’ which Bahadur Shah Zafar wrote when he was exiled after the 1857 revolt.
Baat karni mujhe mushkil kabhi aisi toh na thi, jaisi ab
hai teri mehfil kabhi aisi toh na thi”
[‘It was never as difficult to converse as it is now,
this gathering was never as it is now’]
Mochu: This reminds me of a very interesting text I read about the pandemic by Michael Taussig called “Would a Shaman help?”: “With global meltdown we now live in a reenchanted universe for which the aesthetic of a dark surrealism is relevant.” He equates shamanism with Giorgio Chirico’s paintings where “being alone in cities with empty streets and piazzas is more shamanic than the real thing.”
Pallavi Paul: Even though we are being told that everything is closed, that all kinds of productive labor is at a standstill…well yes, productive labor that feeds the logic of capital, businesses is maybe at a standstill – but there is a production relentlessly ongoing. People are cleaning their houses, feeding their children, waking up in the morning, doing reading, doing listening, you know and that is also work!
Suhail Yusuf Khan: It’s really interesting – for me this entire lockdown has pushed me to come out of my own addictions, my own habits, my own naïve needs of being somewhere, of doing something, or getting out of the house…
Gagan Singh: Just because of sitting in the balcony I was able to do works with charcoal and watercolor, and with ink, and with oil paints, acrylics, with brushes that I had not used in 20 years…
The space got energized, it got a different energy for me...it became a different understanding of being at home...
Suhail Yusuf Khan: In Hindustani music and also in mysticism there is this concept of ‘Chilla,’ which is nothing but solitary confinement. Centuries old tales – they say that saints have been practicing it to attain higher levels…so for me I take it from that angle…I think that this is a blessing in disguise for me. All I need to do is just sit at one place, gather my thoughts and only work towards my research, towards my music, towards my own understanding of life…and that’s the only way to do it, you know.
Gagan Singh: I suppose, I think the moment we have a change of routine, we become alert of the new surroundings. Or I suppose the existing ones which have always been there for us.
Mochu: I mean you’re actually training your mind to change…that’s something I enjoy a lot…because you are changing your own mind that is most interesting…like what else is better.
Pallavi Paul: Yes of course, you know we are surrounded by an anxiety about the future, about our present…and that anxiety is not only an individual anxiety but also a collective anxiety – and I think that even though we may not be able to physically congregate or move perhaps, it is important to retain these spaces which actually intend to pushback whether it is through what we choose to say but also equally from the spaces we choose to withdraw from and refuse to participate in.
Gagan Singh: …listening to conversations...so listening has been healing and so has been expressing…
Pallavi Paul: And it is this kind of an archive through the space of healing, through the space of listening together which can produce a healing…maybe a collective healing produced through a collective listening...
Mochu: So it’s like okay should we make this complete film entirely at home…just make small papier maché models and do stuff…so that’s what I was saying…should we find some 3D experts and then learn a lot of After Effects, create new actors, new places, new landscapes, new country and then shoot the film in that country?
Announcer: Timezones. Imagining worlds and making meaning with four artists from Delhi. Featuring: Mochu, Pallavi Paul, Gagan Singh, Suhail Yusuf Khan. Directed by Suvani Suri and Abhishek Mathur. Co-produced by Norient and Goethe-Institut.
Mochu works with video and text arranged as installations, lectures and publications. Techno-scientific fictions feature prominently in his practice, often overlapping with instances or figures drawn from art history and philosophy. Recent projects have explored mad geologies, psychedelic subcultures and Indian Modernist painting. Exhibitions include 9th Asia-Pacific Triennial, Sharjah Biennial 13, 4th Kochi-Muziris Biennale, Kiran Nadar Museum of Art and Transmediale BWPWAP.
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Suhail Yusuf Khan is a Sarangi player, vocalist, composer, and a PhD candidate in the department of music at Wesleyan University. He brings together expertise from a performance career that has already extended over twenty-years, creative ability, and academic research to find new modes of expression in Hindustani music, contemporary rock fusion, pop, folk, jazz, and experimental music. His ethnographic scholarship draws on personal experience as an eighth-generation musician belonging to a lineage of Hindustani musicians. He has been featured on more than fifteen albums and is currently signed to Domino records, U.K.
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Pallavi Paul works with video, performance, and installation. Her practice speaks to poetic exploration of cultural histories, questioning the limits of speculation and facticity and evidence. Paul is also engaged in thinking about ideas of the archive, tensions between document and documentary and the implication of trace within these openings. She has received her PhD in Film Studies from the School of Arts and Aesthetics, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. Paul’s work has been exhibited in venues including Tate Modern, London (2013); AV Festival, New Castle (2018, 2016), Beirut Art Centre, Lebanon (2018), Savvy Contemporary (2019), Contour Biennale, Mechelen (2017), New Alphabet School, HKW (2020). She currently lives and works in New Delhi.
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Gagan Singh is a Delhi-based visual artist, whose experiments with drawing have involved engaging with illustration, cartoons, storytelling, memory mapping, site specific installations, wall art and artist books. Gagan brings an element of flaneury to his work, both in the literal sense of walking through the city, but also via the mental act of constructing visual narratives in landscapes drawn from memory and observation.
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Website Mochu
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Suhail Yusuf Khan is a Sarangi player, vocalist, composer, and a PhD candidate in the department of music at Wesleyan University. He brings together expertise from a performance career that has already extended over twenty-years, creative ability, and academic research to find new modes of expression in Hindustani music, contemporary rock fusion, pop, folk, jazz, and experimental music. His ethnographic scholarship draws on personal experience as an eighth-generation musician belonging to a lineage of Hindustani musicians. He has been featured on more than fifteen albums and is currently signed to Domino records, U.K.
Portrait Suhail Yusuf Khan
Suhail Yusuf Khan – Instagram
Suhail Yusuf Khan – Facebook
Pallavi Paul works with video, performance, and installation. Her practice speaks to poetic exploration of cultural histories, questioning the limits of speculation and facticity and evidence. Paul is also engaged in thinking about ideas of the archive, tensions between document and documentary and the implication of trace within these openings. She has received her PhD in Film Studies from the School of Arts and Aesthetics, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. Paul’s work has been exhibited in venues including Tate Modern, London (2013); AV Festival, New Castle (2018, 2016), Beirut Art Centre, Lebanon (2018), Savvy Contemporary (2019), Contour Biennale, Mechelen (2017), New Alphabet School, HKW (2020). She currently lives and works in New Delhi.
Portrait Pallavi Paul
Pallavi Paul – Instagram
Gagan Singh is a Delhi-based visual artist, whose experiments with drawing have involved engaging with illustration, cartoons, storytelling, memory mapping, site specific installations, wall art and artist books. Gagan brings an element of flaneury to his work, both in the literal sense of walking through the city, but also via the mental act of constructing visual narratives in landscapes drawn from memory and observation.
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Gagan Singh – Facebook
Abhishek Mathur ist Komponist und Produzent aus Delhi in Indien. Für zahlreiche Kunden wie National Geographic, NDTV, WWF, ITC und Deepa Mehta Productions schrieb er die Musik zu Dokumentarfilmen, Spielfilmen, Fernsehshows, Kunstinstallationen, Theaterstücken und Werbefilmen. Darüber hinaus spielte er in zahlreichen erfolgreichen Bands der Musikszene Delhis und war vor allem Gitarrist und Gründungsmitglied der zeitgenössischen Fusion-Band Advaita. Vor kurzem hat er sein Solo-Synthpop-Projekt Plan 17 gestartet, bei der er mit analogen Synthesizern, Drum-Machines und Samplern experimentiert. Darüber hinaus arbeitet Abhishek als Lehrer sowie als Leiter und Kursentwickler für einen Kurzlehrgang in Musikproduktion am Sri Aurobindo Centre for Arts and Communications in Neu-Delhi.
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Suvani Suri ist Künstlerin und Wissenschaftlerin in Neu-Delhi, Indien. Ihre Interessen und medienübergreifenden Experimentierfelder liegen im Erforschen und Ergründen der vielfältigen Möglichkeiten von Klang- und Hörerlebnissen. Als Künstlerin, Collagistin, Designerin, Wissenschaftlerin oder Pädagogin war sie an zahlreichern transdisziplinären Projekten beteiligt. In den vergangenen Jahren wurden ihre Werke in den KHOJ Studios, im Mumbai Art Room, auf dem Soundreasons Festival und auf der Kochi-Muziris Biennale 2018 ausgestellt. Aktuell unterrichtet sie im Rahmen des Masterprogramms für Neues Mediendesign am National Institute of Design in Indien und leitet an mehreren Universitäten und Bildungseinrichtungen Kurse zu digitalen Bewusstseinsprozessen und interdisziplinärer künstlerischer Praxis.
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Suvani Suri ist Künstlerin und Wissenschaftlerin in Neu-Delhi, Indien. Ihre Interessen und medienübergreifenden Experimentierfelder liegen im Erforschen und Ergründen der vielfältigen Möglichkeiten von Klang- und Hörerlebnissen. Als Künstlerin, Collagistin, Designerin, Wissenschaftlerin oder Pädagogin war sie an zahlreichern transdisziplinären Projekten beteiligt. In den vergangenen Jahren wurden ihre Werke in den KHOJ Studios, im Mumbai Art Room, auf dem Soundreasons Festival und auf der Kochi-Muziris Biennale 2018 ausgestellt. Aktuell unterrichtet sie im Rahmen des Masterprogramms für Neues Mediendesign am National Institute of Design in Indien und leitet an mehreren Universitäten und Bildungseinrichtungen Kurse zu digitalen Bewusstseinsprozessen und interdisziplinärer künstlerischer Praxis.
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Credits
Mit freundlicher Genehmigung von:Konzept, Interviews: Abhishek Mathur, Suvani Suri
Arrangement, Bearbeitung, Sounddesign: Abhishek Mathur, Suvani Suri
Abmischung: Gaurav Chintamani, Quarter Note Studios
Zusätzliche Samples, Aufnahmen: Suhail, Mochu, Pallavi
Trailer-Voiceover: Nana Akosua Hanson
Mastering: Adi Flück, Centraldubs
Grafik-Cover: Šejma Fere