Karthik Setty and Sreema Nallasivam
Origin: Bangalore, India
Location in Germany: Düsseldorf
Profession: Karthik – Founder und CEO, Evora IT Solutions GmbH; Sreema – CEO, Business Solution Center, Metro AG
Karthik & Sreema's Life in Germany
Not Rags to Riches but to Adventure and Perseverance
Though not quite rags to riches, the Düsseldorf based couple Karthik and Sreema’s story is one chock-full of perseverance and adventure that eventually led them down the path of acquiring a life worth calling the German Dream. The upwardly mobile Indian couple from Bangalore quit their jobs in India and started with a clean slate in Germany. What awaited them was a journey of self-discovery and fulfilment.The couple admits Germany was among many other countries they considered to immigrate. Since Karthik has already had business connections with SAP, a German tech giant, the couple decided to use it as a stepping stone to build their new lives in the country. With a little help from Karthik’s business partner and Sreema’s social connections in navigating the complex bureaucracy crucial for a smooth integration, the couple found themselves slowly being accepted into their adopted country.
The work-life balance Sreema encountered at the German workplace was unheard of for someone who had always worked long hours in India.
Fernweh with a clean slate
Karthik Setty and Sreema Nallasivam at the Düsseldörf harbor
What also prompted the couple’s move had to do with their growing itch – a sort of Ferhweh – to get away from everything familiar to them. “We were living in a big joint family and always surrounded by friends and relatives. This made me feel like we didn’t have the opportunity to grow on our own as a couple,” says Sreema. The couple says they started from scratch in their new country. “I think that’s also what we were looking forward to, to start with a clean slate,” she adds.
To equip themselves with life in Germany and to integrate themselves better, the couple hired a private tutor for German language lessons before they left India. They both cleared level A1 before uprooting from India and transplanting themselves in Germany, full of hope, sometimes overshadowed by anxieties.
Empty Kitchens, Uninstalled Flooring
But as Karthik busied himself with apartment hunting in anticipation of Sreema’s arrival, he realised there would be hiccups to settling into his newly rented German home. Nothing could prepare him for the real estate market in Germany where flats are let out with empty kitchens and sometimes even uninstalled floors.“I found a flat with large windows I liked but the floors weren’t installed, and the kitchen was empty,” Karthik remembers. Raised in a home where everything was provided, Karthik had little idea about installing floors or creating a functional kitchen. “Florian, my business associate, brought his father’s tools and showed me how to lay a laminated floor. I spent two weeks after work and finished the flooring,” Karthik remembers.
The kitchen, daunting as it was, followed suit and bit by bit. Alongside crucial life skills he learned by being his own handyman, Karthik built up his new home that Sreema joined soon in Cologne. “I’m an engineer and I like to build stuff, but it was a love I hadn’t discovered back in India,” he says.
Finding Friends at the Integration Course
Karthik Setty and Sreema Nallasivam at a Christmas market in Düsseldörf
The initial days were stressful with Karthik working long hours and Sreema navigating the job market, applying for jobs and finding almost no offers. She started the integration course – required for spouses joining their partners to help them navigate day-to-day lives in German society - that she says helped her scramble together a social circle. “My teacher's assistance greatly facilitated my language skills, enabling me to smoothly enter the job market and secure interviews,” she recalls.
Sreema’s culture shock moment happened only when she started working. “I was stunned to know that you don’t have to work long hours or open your laptop on weekends,” she says. According to her, the work-life balance she encountered at the German workplace was unheard of for someone who had always worked long hours in India.
Meanwhile, as more projects started coming through, Karthik and his associate Florian started their own business called Evora IT Solutions first in Bangalore, a business that soon expanded to German shores, providing digital maintenance and service solutions to clients. “We started with 20-30 people in the first year, now eleven years later, we are 350,” Karthik says. Evora is now headquartered in Germany with operations all over the world.
German Employees = Indian Employees?
For someone who has straddled both worlds as an employer and an employee, Karthik says he finds being an employer a harder task. “We needed to build the brand. In India, our problem was always that people did not want to join us because we were a start-up, and they were concerned about job security and stability.” Whereas brand value is important for Indian employees who will sacrifice their job satisfaction for better pay, Karthik thinks German employees give priority to job fulfilment rather than financial prospects.“I think this attitude is also enabled by the socio-economic safety net we have in Germany. There are strong protections for workers here but in India, we are still a generation away,” Sreema jumps in. While Karthik’s business flourished, the ambitious Sreema made a name for herself in the German corporate world and grew to hold an influential role as the CEO of the Business Solution Center of Metro.
Expectations vs Reality on speaking German
Even though they are exposed to the German language in daily life, the couple senses that language expectations have changed in the country since their relocation. “There is a big switch I feel. Now in an international city like Düsseldorf, 70% of the time even when you speak German, people automatically switch to English if they realise you’re struggling,” Sreema says.More than a decade and a half after moving in, the couple feels at home in Düsseldorf. With Karthik running his own software company and Sreema in a high-flying corporate role, their dreams of starting out afresh in Germany became a reality in a decade. Now, they are nothing short of an Indian power couple in a German narrative, a model immigration success story.
Despite keeping busy jobs whose timelines often leech into their private lives, the couple attempt to keep their work and private lives separate. Though they often take time-out to travel the length and breadth of Germany, they are just as content sitting at home opposite each other and playing Settlers of Catan.
“After I moved to Germany, I’ve taken up board games that I play twice a week with a group of friends. In addition, I cycle and play badminton,” says Karthik. Sreema, even as she keeps a busy job that involves frequent international travel, admits she joins him in his board game sessions because the only way for her to relax is to keep her mind occupied. Maybe that’s the challenge that comes with being a power couple!
Rapid Fire
What advice would you give to people who want to move to Germany for work or studies?
Karthik: Learn German as soon as you can, it helps!
Sreema: I’d say pick up some real-life skills before you move, that way you won’t be dependent on others for simple things. Assume you have to do everything on your own.
Has living in Germany changed your perspective on life? If so, how?
Karthik: I think it has. I was a spoilt kid. Living in Germany, I had to be independent and figure things out on my own. I also learnt that as a couple, both need to share equal responsibility for household tasks. I had to finally grow up!
Sreema: In my case, it’s my socio-economic contribution to the society when I pay taxes. I can go to bed peacefully knowing that my money will go into funding the lesser privileged. I absolutely love that aspect of the German society!
Any hidden gems in Germany you love to travel to?
Karthik: Rüdesheim am Rhein – the wine-growing region. That’s where Sreema tasted her first Riesling.
Sreema: I also love this beautiful town called Cochem on the Rhine with beautiful castles. I have hiked the Rheinsteig when Karthik was busy with work and I love that region.
Favourite words in German
Karthik: Mittlerweile & Doch
Sreema: Jein & Fremdschämen (because you experience a lot of that here)
Karthik: Learn German as soon as you can, it helps!
Sreema: I’d say pick up some real-life skills before you move, that way you won’t be dependent on others for simple things. Assume you have to do everything on your own.
Has living in Germany changed your perspective on life? If so, how?
Karthik: I think it has. I was a spoilt kid. Living in Germany, I had to be independent and figure things out on my own. I also learnt that as a couple, both need to share equal responsibility for household tasks. I had to finally grow up!
Sreema: In my case, it’s my socio-economic contribution to the society when I pay taxes. I can go to bed peacefully knowing that my money will go into funding the lesser privileged. I absolutely love that aspect of the German society!
Any hidden gems in Germany you love to travel to?
Karthik: Rüdesheim am Rhein – the wine-growing region. That’s where Sreema tasted her first Riesling.
Sreema: I also love this beautiful town called Cochem on the Rhine with beautiful castles. I have hiked the Rheinsteig when Karthik was busy with work and I love that region.
Favourite words in German
Karthik: Mittlerweile & Doch
Sreema: Jein & Fremdschämen (because you experience a lot of that here)